Building from a parts assembly

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Re: Building from a parts assembly

Post by Captchee » Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:59 pm

myself i dont use fortis on cherry .
its cherry can be denser then maple . . what i do is sand the stock down . then set it in the sun for a day or two . make sure to turn it .
the sun will darken the wood and give the cherry a nice red tent. when you apply the oil the oil will bring out the color even more .
if your thinking of using fortis on cherry , do some tests on scrap wood first

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Re: Building from a parts assembly

Post by Jared » Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:37 am

Thanks again Captchee, one last question in this department. I got my linseed oil from an art supply store, as I've been told you aren't getting the real thing in what the hardware stores call linseed oil these days. How about Tung oil? The cans I've looked at say that they're a tung blend, with other oils. Is this what I'm looking for? Or is there somewhere you can recommend to find pure tung oil?

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Re: Building from a parts assembly

Post by Captchee » Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:20 pm

what you want is boiled linseed oil . if the can says Linseed oil finish , then it normaly has other things mixed in

for Tung .i use Minwax tung oil finish

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Re: Building from a parts assembly

Post by Jared » Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:25 pm

Hmm. ok. Well what I have is just called linseed oil. Its made by Grumbacher. Heres a cut and paste description from their website:

Finest quality purified alkali refined linseed oil, for us with artists’ oil colors. Improves flow, increases gloss. This product may be added directly to Artists Oil Color. It is recommended linseed oil be pre-diluted with Pure Gum Spirits of Turpentine, Grumtine™, or Odorless Paint Thinner.

Contains: Purified Linseed Oil


Is this gonna work ok for my needs? It doesnt sound like there's anything else added.

Thanks for the tip on the Minwax Tung oil. Don't mean to clog your thread with these questions, but I figure if I'm wondering this stuff, someone else probably is too.

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Re: Building from a parts assembly

Post by Captchee » Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:32 pm

no issues with clogging the thread .

sounds to me like what you got was plain linseed for mizing and thinnning artist oils .
what you want is boiled linseed

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Re: Building from a parts assembly

Post by Jared » Sun Apr 11, 2010 1:55 pm

Thanks again Capt, I went to Rockler and picked up some boiled linseed oil and Minwax Tung finish today. Rubbed in that first coat of linseed, and you aren't kidding, its like Christmas. Not so much for the figure in this piece of wood, but just to see a finished looking color in that walnut after a year of bare wood.

Shes out drying in the sun right now.

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Re: Building from a parts assembly

Post by Captchee » Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:20 pm

good to hear .
as an up date on bryans rifle that we are doing here
today the stock got its last coat of linseed .
in a couple days ill be able to start the final 2 light coats of tung .
the barrel has been french grey'ed .

yesterday Bryan settled on a engraving for the patch box so ill be starting that shortly

, we are about done untell i can put things back together .
so . again if there is anyone who has any questions as to the build . lets post them .
as im sure there will be some after i post the final photos' in a couple weeks

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Re: Building from a parts assembly

Post by Captchee » Sat Apr 17, 2010 5:49 pm

ok so today i finished up the engraving . sorry for the finger prints and smudges .
ill still have to french grey the patch box and lock and hammer
here is a look see

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Re: Building from a parts assembly

Post by Captchee » Sat Apr 17, 2010 6:57 pm

here is the lock after being greyed

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Re: Building from a parts assembly

Post by Lance Coleman » Sat Apr 17, 2010 7:58 pm

If it don't suit Bryan Cap it can come live wid me!!I
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Re: Building from a parts assembly

Post by Captchee » Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:01 pm

ohhh i think he will like it lance .
it truly is a wonderful rifle . my photo skills just arnt the best .
the stock color is deep like root beer. the striping stands out like yellow honey .
the French grey gives it an antiqued look . Also she balances right where she did in the earlier photos . Just a little forward of neutral.
She still is a few days out before its complete . I have to make the RR yet . Beings this has a concave faced breech , I also want to make a breech scraper for it
And then I want to let things cure more . I still need to fire the barrel .and generalize the sights
Then she gets boxed up and sent to Bryan

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Re: Building from a parts assembly

Post by Lance Coleman » Tue Apr 20, 2010 7:43 pm

That reminds me. What was/is it you use to get that reddish deep hue? It's coco bean and brown analine dyes isn't it??
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Re: Building from a parts assembly

Post by Captchee » Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:50 am

Lance Coleman wrote:That reminds me. What was/is it you use to get that reddish deep hue? It's coco bean and brown analine dyes isn't it??
it must be you monitor setting lance . because this stock as nothing on it but Fortis and oil. It is a very translucent deep brown .
Now if I want a red stock like on some of the other pieces you have seen .
To get that red I use alcohol based leather dyes .
The main three are Brown , Cordovan and Ox blood. . Each piece of wood takes the dye’s alittle different . So its nice to be able to mix the dyes

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Re: Building from a parts assembly

Post by Captchee » Sat May 01, 2010 8:54 pm

ok so today was the maden voyage of Bryans rifle
im happy to say the rifle fired a ragged single hole 5 shot group group at 50 yards
so now all thats left is to bax her up and send her on to Bryan .

here are the final photos
the toe plate engraving
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belly figure

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jewling on the inside of the patch box

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and the completed rifle

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Ok so that’s it , start to finish . That how I do things . So if anyone has any questions .?

If not , I hope you have enjoyed this build

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Re: Building from a parts assembly

Post by Full Quiver » Sat May 01, 2010 9:45 pm

Wow that is nice!
Bryan, I think I need to get a closer look when you get it. ;)
Thanks Captchee for your time taken to share your craftsmanship and educate the rest of us.
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Post by TradRag » Mon May 03, 2010 11:33 am

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Post by Captchee » Mon May 03, 2010 2:56 pm

i think you will like it more Bryan when you see it in person . im not that good at taking photos .
im sending her off today so ill send you a PM with the tracking and such tonight . inside the patch box you will find the cleaning jag and a breech scraper to help you clean out the breech face . you should not need that one much but keep it in your cleaning box .

i did not sight this in . there is no way for me to know if im holding the same as you will . your pull is alot longer then mine . so i just fired her for group . that group was 1 1/2 inches right and 1 inch low at 50 yards .
my load was 80 grains of 3F .
.018 ticking patch , cut at the muzzle
.530 round ball
with that load i had a single ragged hole

now when you go out to sight it in . some things to keep in mind
First is the trigger . HEED THIS WARNING . I have set the set trigger to 2lbs pull . Once you set the trigger KEEP YOU FINGER AWAY FROM THE FORWARD TRIGGER . Until your aimed down range . If this setting is to light for you . You will see the small screw between the front and rear trigger . Simply back this out in ½ turn increments tell the trigger pull …..“ when set “…. is to your liking

the front sight has a copper base . the blade is set true . as such you should only need to tap the rear sight the direction you need the group to move . . If for some reason you need to move the front sight ,be very careful or you will ding the base. Use a hard wood drift . The use of a brass drift will bugger up the base

With the group I shot . The rear will only need to be moved just a tad .

You will also notice possibly some white powder on the rifle . This is Carnauba wax which I use to buff the finish of the oils .
I also have included a canvas rifle sock that has a soft lining .

Now as to cleaning

When cleaning if you wish to remove the barrel . Do it as follows
1 ) bring the lock to ½ cock .
2) pull the RR
3) tap out the forward key which is marked with an R
4) tap out the back key which is marked with an F “ F = first key to be put back in and the first key forward of the lock .

Now you can lift the barrel out .
To put it back , go in reverse order . Notice the keys have a very slight bow to them . That bow “always “goes down

To remove the lock . Simply unscrew the lock plate screw and GENTLY wiggle the lock , .
For the triggers which you should NOT have to do very often . You will need to unscrew both tang screws . The whole trigger assembly will come out in one piece . IE trigger and trigger guard is screwed together it will come out as one ..
To clean the hardware . Simply wipe it down . It will continue to age as will the patch box ..
When it comes to the stock . I would also let her age . . If your out hunting in wet weather make sure you dry her off before setting her aside . Before storing you can buff her alittle with a soft cloth and every year or so a light coat of past wax will not hurt things.

In the patch box you will find I have placed a bed of brain tan deer hide . This cover the spring screw and will help keep things from rattling around . that’s if you decide to actually use the box .
That about it .
I hope you like what I have done .
I look forward to hearing about your hunting success with this rifle

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Post by TWOFEATHERS » Wed May 05, 2010 12:31 pm

WOW, That is beautiful captchee!! Thanks for sharing this build!! Bryan you lucky dog!!
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Post by TradRag » Mon May 10, 2010 11:22 am

oh fellas..... eat your heart out! :mrgreen:

The TR .54 came in on Friday and it took me back a step. It is amazing and not one detail left undone! I haven't had a chance to fire (Mothers Day weekend) but just being able to look at it and hold this baby was enough. It is truly a work of art. Thank you Captchee! I appreciate your attention to detail, your communication as we went along, and your timeliness. You keep in right on schedule even for the early delays. It's AMAZING!

I will get some more pictures up as I have time. And for those that are looking for a fella to build you a custom smokepole, Captchee's your man!
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Re: Building from a parts assembly

Post by Captchee » Mon May 10, 2010 7:29 pm

thank you bryan for the kind words .
i look forward to seeing the photos

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Re: Building from a parts assembly

Post by Swampman » Mon Jun 07, 2010 8:18 pm

Great looking and good instructive post.....Thanks

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Re: Building from a parts assembly

Post by szihn » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:35 am

EXCELLENT POST CAPT.
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Post by Captchee » Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:35 am

thank you steve . appriciate the kind words

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Re: Building from a parts assembly

Post by LadyHawk » Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:24 pm

Wow!
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Re: Building from a parts assembly

Post by LadyHawk » Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:07 pm

Capt -
Did you leave the butplate on when you hit it with the aquafortis? Also, what grit of sandpaper did you use on it before putting the linseed on? Started on my bobcat stock today.
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Re: Building from a parts assembly

Post by Captchee » Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:16 pm

no i remove all the parts but the nose cap prior to doing the fortis.
i sand to 300 grit , then whisker . then fortis , then oil

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Post by trad-hunter » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:27 pm

Simply a beautiful rifle!
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Re: Building from a parts assembly

Post by CRBuffaloRanch » Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:11 pm

Very nice work I received a h&a 50 minuteman rifle it is missing parts. Looking for help where I can find parts. This will be my first project. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Building from a parts assembly

Post by Captchee » Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:07 am

From what I can see of your side plate inlet , I may have a side plate . But that’s just a simple brass plate that you could cut out from a tracing .
Trigger guard maybe an issue . But again that could be over come by finding a slightly larget TG and re inletting it .
Same with the triggers .
Lock maybe an issue . I would start with Dixie gun works . If they don’t have something , try deer creek . They for a time had some H&A parts .
Past that your going to have to watch e-bay or some of the gun auction web sites for parts or incomplete parts guns .
If none of that works , then your down to purchasing custom rifle parts and modifying them to your stock or modifying the stock to accept the new parts .
In which case what I would do is purchase a new stock from say Pecatonica river . Have them inlet the stock for your barrel and then build you a new rifle

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Re: Building from a parts assembly

Post by zeek from coon creek » Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:42 pm

Numrich Gun Parts might have some of the parts you are needing.

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Search.htm? ... man&page=1

I took a look and they have many parts for the H/A minuteman.
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