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Re: lets see your smokepoles!

Post by wisconsin » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:32 am

thanks captchee i had my suspicions i would need to rework ablackpowder shotgun to get what i would like thanks for the info

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Post by Captchee » Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:38 am

Well re working one is most certainly an option and IMO one of the cheapest routes to go
Get you the book ;Recreating the double barrels shotgun by Bill Brockway . It will lead you through building a SXS using eather muzzle loading barrels OR converting cartridge gun barrels .
In it he also shows how to lay out a blank . Make your locks and all the hardware .


Very , VERY good book IMO

The Gun shoppe also sells complete assemblies for a number of doubles to include rifles and rifles smooth combinations . Know though that they are very spendy . The locks come as kits so you have to do all the drilling tapping as well as tempering your looking at around 550.00 for just parts and stock . Then still have to have someone like Ed build the barrel sets if your looking at say a Manton SxS
French SXS runs a couple hundred cheaper on the parts sets but doesn’t include the stock .
and you may wait a life time to get everything . Though I have heard roomers that they are getting better at keeping thing in stock .
But I can tell you , you will not end up with a more correct piece . Again spendy but all their parts are case from originals


The other option is to build one . Rd Rayl makes barrel sets . ToW sells the plugs and standing breech’s as well as the other hardware as well as locks .
Tiger hunt also sells pre-carve blanks . You will have to do the inletting though ..

Searching around though and collecting parts , you going to look at close to
For locks from L&R near =250.00
Hardware , “ includes triggers”==120.00
The last barrel set I bought from Ed ran me = 700.00
Stock in a blank from tiger hunt in expatiation grade , red maple = 115.00+shiping
PRECARVED STOCKS - ADD $85.00 TO BLANK PRICE (Includes Shaped Butt, Barrell Channel, Ramrod Groove, and Drilled Hole).
BARREL CHANNEL, RAM ROD GROOVE & DRILL HOLE ONLY - ADD $60.00 TO BLANK PRICE.
SHAPED BUTT ONLY FOR ANY OF THE STYLES ABOVE - ADD $45.00 TO BLANK PRICE

So as you can see . You can end up with in a ball park of 1150.00. Just for parts .
that’s building from a blank . Now you have to do all the shaping , inletting . Not to mention checkering .

Mine I built for less then 350.00
The CVA cost me 100.00
Locks 200.00 at that time
Stock blank was 15.00 . I won it on e-bay . The rest was shipping .

Now another option would be Imports from India . Both the Discerning General and Middlesex sell a flintlock SXS for around 700.00. There was one of those on gun broker about a week ago . When I saw it , it was at 200.00. I don’t know what it ended up going for . I don’t see it on there now .
The thing with these though is you never know the quality . The ones I have seen where way to heavy . The barrels were not joined very well . Over all they just seemed clunky .
Now India also has proofing standards . However these do NOT as I understand it go through proof or have to meet the Indian governments standards . Reason being is they are imported as non firing . Middlesex then drills for the flash holes so as to make them a working gun .
I know a lot of folks who buy from Middlesex and have good luck .
A couple years ago one of their Brown Bess models burst a barrel . It made a very big buzz in the traditional and re-enacting community because it burst under a supposed
re-enacting load. But I read the metallurgy reports and the basically said they could not find anything wrong with the steel used . So that’s a Good + IMO

Anyway some things for you to think on

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Post by reddogge » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:11 pm

Captchee, that shotgun is stunning. Congratulations on the build.

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Post by T.O. » Fri Jan 29, 2010 6:38 pm

Traditions Mountain Rifle with a new browned look
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Post by mountainrifle » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:38 am

awesome. i have one of that same rifle, how do you like yours?
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Post by 4finger » Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:29 pm

Beautiful guns all, here's my Smokepole, Custom Built by Lynn Brineholt, Utah for me back in 1984. .58 caliber, Greenmountain Barrel, he carved the stock from a beautiful chunk of triple x Curly Maple, followed the Lyman Great plains rifle style...tickeled to have it...4finger
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Post by 4finger » Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:36 pm

.58's destroy cedar trees...well ok, I'm joking...4finger
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Post by T.O. » Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:42 pm

Man that's beautiful. How do you like the 58?

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Post by 4finger » Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:32 am

Sorry for the slow reply T.O., Thanks for the kind words. I've enjoyed the .58 very much, I do believe that it is a very underated, under used Big Game caliber. but then how can you beat a 50? :)...
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Post by T.O. » Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:26 pm

When I build one its going to be a 54 or 58. Its going to be strictly patched round ball for White tail deer. your right, There is nothing wrong with the 50.

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Post by greyhunter » Sun Feb 07, 2010 9:57 pm

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Post by Lance Coleman » Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:51 pm

greyhunter wrote:
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Post by greyhunter » Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:55 am

The two rifles in the center are left, Traditions .32 Crockett, right CVA .50 Mountain Rifle. Smoothies on right are orig 1800"s .62 and 16 ga sxs uk date of mfg British. Regards, Greyhunter
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Post by Lance Coleman » Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:22 am

AH! it's the crockett that threw me. I knew it looked flamiliar but my mind kept telling me bigger bore. small caliber never sunk in.

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Post by hanshi » Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:05 pm

Great collection! Lot of variety, there.
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Post by lonewolf5347 » Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:24 am

well her e my winter project finished
The renegade a donor stock stipped and redone with formby's low stain tung oil total 20 coats.I drop a custom t/c barrel 31" with a 1 in 66 ball barrel twist in 54 cal. the tang glassed and forward into the barrel channel 2" .I flint lock (t/c)stipped the lock stoned the sear and replace the frizzen with a Lyman frizzen and a new .070 vent liner
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Post by DwarvenChef » Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:57 pm

I can see I need to take some Pics :) I don't have many solo pics of my Smoke Poles :) Here is a Pic of my T/C Hawken .50 Perc's muzzle I had flowered in Fairbanks AK back in the early 90's. I'll get new pics soon, some are still in pieces :p
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Post by 04jeep » Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:46 pm

Here is my t/c 50cal express rifle
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Post by Hawg » Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:13 am

.54 Hawken

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Post by jrmflintlock » Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:52 pm

This is the first Rifle I built almost 11 years ago.. Boy has time gone quick !!! A .45 southern Longrifle.
I finaly took a nice trophy with it this last year! Hopefully the first of many!!
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Post by jrmflintlock » Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:01 pm

I built this trade gun about 5 years ago and took my first Turkey with it that same year! I used it to take another this last year.. Had a dry spell with the flinter.. I cheated and took a couple with a BP precussion double though. I plan on converting the double over to flint this next winter!! Its easier to find sharp rocks in the woods than them tiny little caps!!
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Post by rickd » Sat Apr 03, 2010 7:37 am

This is the Beast...62 caliber Hawken style rifle 1 1/8"X31" barrel..
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Post by Eric Krewson » Sat Apr 03, 2010 11:36 am

Here is my first build, finished just before deer season last year. I call it a "sorta" J.P. Beck. Deluxe siler lock, 54cal Rice barrel, Dunlap wood. I killed several deer with it last season.

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Here is a three shot, 50yd group I shot with it Thursday. I am still playing around with different loads to find the perfect load. This was with 80gr of 2F, 535 ball and.018 ticking

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Post by TWOFEATHERS » Sat Apr 03, 2010 12:01 pm

Here's my newest addition to the family, This is a Great plains .54 cal kit i just finished up! my first flint lock also!! I used Lances build along to do this one up!
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Post by ebiggs1 » Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:40 pm

This is my favorite. And I just installed a new (old) rear sight.

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It is a Thompson Center flintlock in 50 cal. It is my first flintlock and is about 1 year old now. It has approx. 1000 round balls through it.

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Post by sharkbaitffd » Sun May 23, 2010 9:04 pm

Here is my 50 cal. Hawken cap my Dad built from a kit when he was about my age. This will continue to be handed down to my son and hopefully his son. Feeding bellies for generations to come :D (still in the jean sock he made for it too!)
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Post by Shovelbuck » Wed May 26, 2010 9:22 am

Sure is a great bunch of guns posted! Here's a couple of mine. When I get some other photos, I'll post more.

.62 Fowler I built last summer. Finished on the fourth of July.

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.54 Halfstock flinter, built 30 years ago and still the "go to" gun when a rifle is needed. Complete with battle scars.

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Post by hanshi » Wed May 26, 2010 1:28 pm

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The gun I've had the longest, H&A .45. Not fancy but one good gun.
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Post by hanshi » Wed May 26, 2010 1:31 pm

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Terrible picture but a pretty good swamped barrel .40 by Matt Avance.
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Post by hanshi » Wed May 26, 2010 1:42 pm

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Newest - this exhausts my cache - EA fowler, .62, 38" OTR barrel.
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